Fwd: OT:Advances on Ben NanoNote and other things (was Re: [reader] Wikireader received)

Peter Malte Mack mack.petermalte at googlemail.com
Tue Oct 20 09:05:46 EDT 2009


Wolfgang, David,
sorry to "interrupt" your conversation, but with the Sharp Netwalker and the
features of the Ya mentioned, I suddenly remembered worries I had a longer
time ago.
With the Ya featuring 64MB of ram (or more - if it is possible, almost
everyone would appreciate that) there will be people that will try to run a
XServer which is much more comfortable using some pointing device, e.g. a
touchscreen, a trackball (like the HTC Dream has) or some optical touchpad
(like some Samsung smartphones). And thinking of Ya followups, that might
have displays with higher resolutions, being able to run "standard" software
written for the desktop, this becomes even more crucial.

Just my 2 cents,
Peter

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Wolfgang Spraul
<wolfgang at qi-hardware.com>wrote:

> David,
>
> > One question, there is an app launcher to manage all this aplications at
> time?
>
> Several people are currently lookinto into possible launchers.
> I liked the idea of booting into a simple browser, but not sure how easy it
> is
> to launch apps from there, or switch between running apps...
> I think we will create a wiki page soon to discuss and then settle the
> final
> SW features.
>
> Wolfgang
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:24:37AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> wrote:
> > David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> > http://www.tuxbrain.com
> > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> > Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
> > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/20 Wolfgang Spraul <wolfgang at qi-hardware.com>:
> > > David,
> > > good to see you! I am wondering where you take your energy from,
> > on a healthful diet based on good spanish meals mixed with a lot of
> > caffeine + tauritone and the fact that , contrary to what you thought
> > when you were not a father, sleep 3-4 hour a day will not kill you.
> > > should
> > > visit in Spain one day... :-)
> > I you come to Barcelona I will be very pleased to meet you , you know
> > you have a friend here.
> > >
> > >> > A lot of beautiful devices will arrive at Tuxbrain soon, at least as
> > >> > sample, Wikireader, Ben Nanonote, Always Innovating Touchbook,
> > >> > Openpandora, and now I have in my hands an awesome Sharp
> > >> > Netwalker(some experiments along with Neo Freerunner soon :P), I
> wish
> > >
> > > Great.
> > > One of the best things you can do is compare, compare, compare.
> > Will do , will do will do :), and also juggling interconnecting them   :)
> > > I know some of those devices quite well, others not.
> > > The Sharp NetWalker looks very interesting indeed, I haven't had one in
> my
> > > hands yet. Price is over 400 USD, right?
> > Yes the price rise once you import it to Europe , about 500EUR but I
> > have to say it worth it, having clear in mind the obvious differences
> > about closed hardware, size and higher performance , I thing is a good
> > referer to have in mind as ultraportable clamshell linux device
> > > For the NanoNote, first we will ship the Ben and specs are as announced
> > > in July. After that will be Ya (next year), and I think it's still
> several
> > > months out before we decide about the final Ya features.
> > >
> > > My personal favorites are:
> > >
> > > *) USB host
> > and 2.0 please :)
> > > *) 64 MB SDRAM
> > don't be shy with  ram the more the merrier :) but 64 will be fine
> > > *) Wi-Fi
> > please,please,please
> > > *) physically larger and higher-res transflective LCD
> > /me is salivating like Homer Simpson in front an award wining donnut
> > > *) 16 GB NAND
> > I can sacrifice this one in in exchange for a standard SD reader
> > >
> > > But we will see... I think the key will be feedback from our real Ben
> > > customers.
> > Count on it.
> > > On the software side, I think the roadmap is clear - first OpenWrt,
> more
> > > and more packages, and spend some time to make these packages work well
> > > on the device (320x240 is a problem, 40x30 characters in text mode!).
> > > In parallel hopefully get Debian going, HW specs should be sufficient
> for it.
> > Old faithfull debian fits every where :), will be a great advance
> > regarding software ready aviable (a lot of shell apps out there)
> > >
> > > For the next few months, focus will be on getting the most out of the
> Ben.
> > > Once you have your device, I am very curious about your feedback and
> what you
> > > think we could do with the device.
> > Me too :)
> > > OpenZIM is an obvious first thought (like WikiReader, but multiple
> wikis,
> > > color graphics, some way of automatically updating the device when
> connecting
> > > it to your PC/notebook via USB).
> > Having USB networking is a great feature, we have to strugle it :)
> > > Others I like are calculator, note taking, GNU Octave, audio
> player/recorder,
> > > spreadsheets, mutt, maybe RSS reader or PIM.
> > One question, there is an app launcher to manage all this aplications at
> time?
> > >
> > > Your feedback is always so encouraging, keep it coming!
> > > Wolfgang
> > As I allways try I will do my best.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:26:20AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> wrote:
> > >> Your wishes are orders man :) ,
> > >> Steve and I have started(accidentally :P) a conversation in the OM
> > >> list, but sure it will be better to continue it here, please read
> > >> below :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> > >> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> > >> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> > >> Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
> > >> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >> From: steven mosher <moshersteven at gmail.com>
> > >> Date: 2009/10/19
> > >> Subject: Re: OT:Advances on Ben NanoNote and other things (was Re:
> > >> [reader] Wikireader received)
> > >> To: List for Openmoko community discussion <
> community at lists.openmoko.org>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Thanks David I saw your name and just hit reply. Lets take this to
> > >> the www.qi-hardware.com
> > >>  list.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> > >> <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi Steve!
> > >> > Firts of all and to not distort the beautifull "first blood" thread
> of
> > >> > Doug I have started it in a another one and also maked it OT due in
> > >> > spite is interesting due is about open hardware is not strictly
> > >> > Openmoko related. So after the first intro here we go
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes I have seen this , maybe I'm too much quiet in the Qi Hardware
> > >> > List[1], but I read almost all messages there even those I don't
> > >> > understand about kernel things :), and of course the blog posts, and
> > >> > hey! I also start translating your(our) wiki to spanish :P. So be
> sure
> > >> > I have more than an eye there.
> > >> >
> > >> > Having GTK over Frambuffer, also see the benchmark , cool! is a
> great
> > >> > great news, you have open a lot of doors for port already existing
> > >> > apps and to do new developments.Now next step is have QT over
> > >> > Framebuffer too on Openwrt, (if it's not already done yet) and
> > >> > possibilities will just multiply :)
> > >> >
> > >> > Just a point about the envy, is not just to have a wikipedia in your
> > >> > pocket, is for have the device itself :) long time waiting that
> > >> > project B thing , yes geeks have a part of collector , and there is
> no
> > >> > much commercialized open gadgets out there so any new one is an
> object
> > >> > of desire.
> > >> >
> > >> > By the way I'm in touch with Wolfgang and Mirko to have one of those
> > >> > first Ben NanoNote and start playing with it and spread the results
> of
> > >> > the playing to the world, and yes a color/audio version of  The
> > >> > Hitchhiker's Gu... sorry  Wikipedia will be a cool cool thing :)
> > >> >
> > >> > A lot of beautiful devices will arrive at Tuxbrain soon, at least as
> > >> > sample, Wikireader, Ben Nanonote, Always Innovating Touchbook,
> > >> > Openpandora, and now I have in my hands an awesome Sharp
> > >> > Netwalker(some experiments along with Neo Freerunner soon :P), I
> wish
> > >> > having three or four more hands to handle all this beauties at once
> :)
> > >> > but at least they have the size to wear them everywhere. But I have
> no
> > >> > patience to wait for them without feeling greats amounts of envy
> when
> > >> > I saw other has the luck to play with them first. I'ts not so bad :)
> > >> > this ugly feeling disappears once the courier knocks my door :) and
> is
> > >> > fully forgotten once I start  sending them to other envious and
> > >> > anxious geeks to calm their hungry of hacking.
> > >> >
> > >> > Steve,  I don't know if your are aware about the om-showroom
> > >> > project[2][3], it stills on early stages but I hope in short I will
> > >> > have a test site up an running  , I was thinking , due NanoNote is
> > >> > based on Openwrt that is based on ipk packages as is SHR, do a
> > >> > nanonote-showroom will not be so much difficult. I you think is a
> good
> > >> > Idea I can express it in the qi-hardware list. Just same
> > >> > "requeriments" as om-showroom, Tuxbrain logo as sponsor, and some
> > >> > "classic" banner about Tuxbrain products at the bottom ;P,
> > >> >
> > >> > Love to talk with you again on this list, man ;)
> > >> > [1]http://lists.qi-hardware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/developer
> > >> > [2]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> > >> > http://www.tuxbrain.com
> > >> > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> > >> > Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
> > >> > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2009/10/19 steven mosher <moshersteven at gmail.com>:
> > >> > >  Hi david,
> > >> > >    Did you see this:
> > >> > > http://www.qi-hardware.com/2009/10/17/recent-developments/
> > >> > >   I've got some units in. It took a couple days but we have a
> browser on the
> > >> > > device and wikipedia.
> > >> > >   It was easy when we just decided to use what the open source
> community had
> > >> > > already created.
> > >> > >   Looking forward to doing other wikimedia on the device since we
> have color
> > >> > > and audio. drop me a line
> > >> > > Steve
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> > >> > > <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> 2009/10/19 Doug Jones <dj6mf at frombob.to>:
> > >> > >> > I ordered it a few hours after Sean's announcement.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > It arrived a few minutes ago.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > It works.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > However, I was disappointed that it contained no entry for
> "Wikireader".
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > ;-)
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Was pleased to see it came with nice alkaline batteries, not
> those cheap
> > >> > >> > carbon ones that eventually fail and destroy the device they
> came with.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > But instead, I put in a pair of "eneloop" rechargeable NiMH
> batteries,
> > >> > >> > 1.2 volts.  Those seem to work just fine.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > It came with an 8GB microSDHC card.  3.2GB free, plenty of room
> for more
> > >> > >> > data.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Next:  Figure out how to hack in a extra button at the top
> level that
> > >> > >> > takes us to a custom page where we can link in our own personal
> > >> > >> > content...
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > ...and some code to run on my desktop machine, to manage the
> content of
> > >> > >> > these SD cards...
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > ...thanks, guys, there goes another chunk of my copious spare
> time...
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > >> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > >> > >> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > >> > >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> envy, a lot of envy :P
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> > >> > >> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> > >> > >> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> > >> > >> Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
> > >> > >> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
> > >> > >>
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> > >> > >
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