Does SAKC meet current Copyleft guidelines?

Carlos Camargo cicamargoba at gmail.com
Thu Apr 8 07:11:20 EDT 2010


"Copyleft hardware is commercial hardware, targeted to non-technical folks,
people who want to have a life and are in no way clamoring for an
opportunity
to build their own electronic devices"




On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:09 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <
david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:

> 2010/4/8 Wolfgang Spraul <wolfgang at sharism.cc>:
> > Ron,
> > thanks for your feedback! :-)
> > The term 'copyleft hardware' is new and we are all working to make it
> > meaningful. In the case of Qi not through committees and debates, but by
> > making products.
> >
> >> The SAKC derivative of Nanonote does not have a case, nor does it
> require
> >> one for its intended use, such as a robot controller. SAKC meets
>  "Copyleft"
> >> standards but does not have a case and is not targeted at "non-technical
> folks."
> >> Sharism at Work Ltd. has carved out an interesting commercial position,
> >> that targets consumer electronics. But the bigger idea of "Copyleft
> Hardware"
> >> need not require the same business constraints. Copyleft products
> targeted
> >> at enthusiasts or hardware hackers seem like a valid category to me,
> >> even though they do not fit the business plan Wolfgang is defining.
> >
> > Yes all true.
> > First we need to make SAKC stronger technically. Right now we only have 3
> > manually assembled and brought up boards. Carlos has fixed several bugs,
> > and more work is needed, on the hardware and software side.
> >
> > After that, one idea is that instead of Sharism, Tuxbrain will market
> > SAKC. I think Carlos owns the SAKC trademark, so that needs to be
> clarified
> > between Carlos and Tuxbrain. Tuxbrain has a good marketing base for SAKC,
> > and will continue to build it up this year.
> > Sharism would offer whatever help Tuxbrain wants, if we go down this
> route.
> > Sharism can help with sourcing, small and large production runs,
> logistics.
> > But SAKC will not be a brand (and product) that Sharism brings to market.
> >
> > Sharism's first product is the Ben NanoNote, we have launched it and we
> > still have big plans with it. After that there are several ideas floating
> > around for Sharism's next (copyleft hardware) product:
> >
> > *) Ya NanoNote
> > *) OpenStreetMap device
> > *) phone
> > *) Milkymist One (need to work on case)
> >
> > But let's see where things are going. All of this is moving, and like I
> > said in my definition of copyleft hardware, for every hacking opportunity
> > we should create two business opportunities.
> > Let's continue to build a strong copylefted technical base, then many
> > companies can build products and bring them to market.
> > David what do you think?
> Well I think a better question should be: Carlos what do you think? :P
> I think SAKC belongs more to the Free Hardware / DIY / Development
> realm than plain costumers, this is a terrain Tuxbrain fells
> comfortable and we will be glad to promote and include in our catalog,
> of course we are in very early stages and a lot of maths has to be
> done, of couse if Carlos agree,
> SAKC has been posible thanks on the Copyleft hardware basis, Wolfgang
> so I think we must diferenciate a little what is Qi-HW goals and what
> are Sharism goals, after some intronspection and to mantain coherence
> I thin Qi HW (The Copyleft HW alliance) should include this kind of
> products in his scope,but Sharims the company is the one that is
> specialiced in the costumer electronics. By Now Sharism is the only
> manufacturer in the group , but maybe in some future there will be
> anotherones with different goals, so I thing Qi must maintain his own
> simple basic principles, CC information for production, GPL sofware
> both on production and inside the device, and comunity driven. Any
> piece of hardware fulfilling this goals should be admited as Qi
> Hardware , independly if sharism wants to manufacture/comercialize it
> or not.
> I also must add than the "owner" of the device must want to be part of
> Qi, so project like Arduino in spite of I think it fulfils the
> principles ,no one of his owners has manifested his willing to be part
> of Qi so I agree to no include it. But is clear than SACK owner ,
> Carlos is a real true member of Qi so is on board.
> I think is time to decide what Qi -HW is . time to to flame post :P
>
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 10:03:00AM -0700, Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
> >> Wolfgang Spraul of Sharism at Work Ltd.[1] wrote:
> >>
> >> Copyleft hardware is commercial hardware, targeted to non-technical
> folks,
> >> people who want to have a life and are in no way clamoring for an
> opportunity
> >> to build their own electronic devices.
> >> Copyleft hardware really needs a good looking case.
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> The SAKC derivative of Nanonote does not have a case, nor does it
> require
> >> one for its intended use, such as a robot controller. SAKC meets
>  "Copyleft"
> >> standards but does not have a case and is not targeted at "non-technical
> folks."
> >>
> >> Sharism at Work Ltd. has carved out an interesting commercial position,
> >> that targets consumer electronics. But the bigger idea of "Copyleft
> Hardware"
> >> need not require the same business constraints. Copyleft products
> targeted
> >> at enthusiasts or hardware hackers seem like a valid category to me,
> >> even though they do not fit the business plan Wolfgang is defining.
> >>
> >> May 1,000 flowers bloom.
> >> ---
> >> Ron K. Jeffries
> >>
> >> [1] https://sharism.cc
> >>
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Carlos Iván Camargo Bareño
Profesor Asistente
Departamento de Ingeniería Eléctrica y Electrónica
Universidad Nacional de Colombia
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