Does SAKC meet current Copyleft guidelines?

Carlos Camargo cicamargoba at gmail.com
Thu Apr 8 07:37:27 EDT 2010


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Carlos



On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:19 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <
david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:

> 2010/4/8 Carlos Camargo <cicamargoba at gmail.com>:
> > "Copyleft hardware is commercial hardware, targeted to non-technical
> folks,
> > people who want to have a life and are in no way clamoring for an
> > opportunity
> > to build their own electronic devices"
> Carlos,this means you agree with that definition? Then you consider
> SACK is not Copyleft hardware?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:09 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> > <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 2010/4/8 Wolfgang Spraul <wolfgang at sharism.cc>:
> >> > Ron,
> >> > thanks for your feedback! :-)
> >> > The term 'copyleft hardware' is new and we are all working to make it
> >> > meaningful. In the case of Qi not through committees and debates, but
> by
> >> > making products.
> >> >
> >> >> The SAKC derivative of Nanonote does not have a case, nor does it
> >> >> require
> >> >> one for its intended use, such as a robot controller. SAKC meets
> >> >>  "Copyleft"
> >> >> standards but does not have a case and is not targeted at
> >> >> "non-technical folks."
> >> >> Sharism at Work Ltd. has carved out an interesting commercial
> position,
> >> >> that targets consumer electronics. But the bigger idea of "Copyleft
> >> >> Hardware"
> >> >> need not require the same business constraints. Copyleft products
> >> >> targeted
> >> >> at enthusiasts or hardware hackers seem like a valid category to me,
> >> >> even though they do not fit the business plan Wolfgang is defining.
> >> >
> >> > Yes all true.
> >> > First we need to make SAKC stronger technically. Right now we only
> have
> >> > 3
> >> > manually assembled and brought up boards. Carlos has fixed several
> bugs,
> >> > and more work is needed, on the hardware and software side.
> >> >
> >> > After that, one idea is that instead of Sharism, Tuxbrain will market
> >> > SAKC. I think Carlos owns the SAKC trademark, so that needs to be
> >> > clarified
> >> > between Carlos and Tuxbrain. Tuxbrain has a good marketing base for
> >> > SAKC,
> >> > and will continue to build it up this year.
> >> > Sharism would offer whatever help Tuxbrain wants, if we go down this
> >> > route.
> >> > Sharism can help with sourcing, small and large production runs,
> >> > logistics.
> >> > But SAKC will not be a brand (and product) that Sharism brings to
> >> > market.
> >> >
> >> > Sharism's first product is the Ben NanoNote, we have launched it and
> we
> >> > still have big plans with it. After that there are several ideas
> >> > floating
> >> > around for Sharism's next (copyleft hardware) product:
> >> >
> >> > *) Ya NanoNote
> >> > *) OpenStreetMap device
> >> > *) phone
> >> > *) Milkymist One (need to work on case)
> >> >
> >> > But let's see where things are going. All of this is moving, and like
> I
> >> > said in my definition of copyleft hardware, for every hacking
> >> > opportunity
> >> > we should create two business opportunities.
> >> > Let's continue to build a strong copylefted technical base, then many
> >> > companies can build products and bring them to market.
> >> > David what do you think?
> >> Well I think a better question should be: Carlos what do you think? :P
> >> I think SAKC belongs more to the Free Hardware / DIY / Development
> >> realm than plain costumers, this is a terrain Tuxbrain fells
> >> comfortable and we will be glad to promote and include in our catalog,
> >> of course we are in very early stages and a lot of maths has to be
> >> done, of couse if Carlos agree,
> >> SAKC has been posible thanks on the Copyleft hardware basis, Wolfgang
> >> so I think we must diferenciate a little what is Qi-HW goals and what
> >> are Sharism goals, after some intronspection and to mantain coherence
> >> I thin Qi HW (The Copyleft HW alliance) should include this kind of
> >> products in his scope,but Sharims the company is the one that is
> >> specialiced in the costumer electronics. By Now Sharism is the only
> >> manufacturer in the group , but maybe in some future there will be
> >> anotherones with different goals, so I thing Qi must maintain his own
> >> simple basic principles, CC information for production, GPL sofware
> >> both on production and inside the device, and comunity driven. Any
> >> piece of hardware fulfilling this goals should be admited as Qi
> >> Hardware , independly if sharism wants to manufacture/comercialize it
> >> or not.
> >> I also must add than the "owner" of the device must want to be part of
> >> Qi, so project like Arduino in spite of I think it fulfils the
> >> principles ,no one of his owners has manifested his willing to be part
> >> of Qi so I agree to no include it. But is clear than SACK owner ,
> >> Carlos is a real true member of Qi so is on board.
> >> I think is time to decide what Qi -HW is . time to to flame post :P
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Wolfgang
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 10:03:00AM -0700, Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
> >> >> Wolfgang Spraul of Sharism at Work Ltd.[1] wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Copyleft hardware is commercial hardware, targeted to non-technical
> >> >> folks,
> >> >> people who want to have a life and are in no way clamoring for an
> >> >> opportunity
> >> >> to build their own electronic devices.
> >> >> Copyleft hardware really needs a good looking case.
> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >>
> >> >> The SAKC derivative of Nanonote does not have a case, nor does it
> >> >> require
> >> >> one for its intended use, such as a robot controller. SAKC meets
> >> >>  "Copyleft"
> >> >> standards but does not have a case and is not targeted at
> >> >> "non-technical folks."
> >> >>
> >> >> Sharism at Work Ltd. has carved out an interesting commercial
> position,
> >> >> that targets consumer electronics. But the bigger idea of "Copyleft
> >> >> Hardware"
> >> >> need not require the same business constraints. Copyleft products
> >> >> targeted
> >> >> at enthusiasts or hardware hackers seem like a valid category to me,
> >> >> even though they do not fit the business plan Wolfgang is defining.
> >> >>
> >> >> May 1,000 flowers bloom.
> >> >> ---
> >> >> Ron K. Jeffries
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] https://sharism.cc
> >> >>
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> >> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> >> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> >> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> >> Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko
> >> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
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> > Carlos Iván Camargo Bareño
> > Profesor Asistente
> > Departamento de Ingeniería Eléctrica y Electrónica
> > Universidad Nacional de Colombia
> > cicamargoba at unal.edu.co
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> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko
> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
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Carlos Iván Camargo Bareño
Profesor Asistente
Departamento de Ingeniería Eléctrica y Electrónica
Universidad Nacional de Colombia
cicamargoba at unal.edu.co
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