Fwd: en. blah on qi-hardware

Jon Phillips jon at rejon.org
Thu Feb 4 20:42:43 EST 2010


It doesn't matter. All that matters is if you have your wiki translated.
Pick the simplest model and its not like wikipedia has the best...their
scale is diff.

The model we have is just not right for our size.

And, we are innovating on nanonote, not wiki. So, lets just pick a system
that's easy...like CC uses, like Inkscape uses, like openclipart, and all my
projects use...easy...

Jon

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Wolfgang Spraul <wolfgang at sharism.cc> wrote:

> Jon,
> OK thanks this is very helpful.
>
> > This internationalization strategy is too much work on the wiki, I
> propose a
> > change.
>
> The reason that nothing has changed yet is because the Wikipedia model is
> indeed a pain. I asked a few times what people knew about the status of
> multilingual Mediawiki but couldn't get a good answer.
>
> > Let's nuke it and keep the straight non-subdomain url...its too much work
> to
> > maintain.
>
> The system we are using now with the /ES suffixes is one of the workarounds
> for lack of this feature in Mediawiki proper.
> Look at
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki
>
> "this is needed because MediaWiki page titles play an integral role in the
> Wikidata model"
> Yes, totally. The system we have right now (with suffixes) requires that
> the
> page title is always in English. That really makes any non-English content
> a second class citizen.
> But it seems the Wikidata/OmegaWiki development is dead? The history of
> that
> page shows 1 edit in all of last year.
> At the top, they refer to the "interlanguage links" that Wikipedia is
> using,
> but that requires a separate database for each language, creating a support
> nightmare where server configuration, accounts, templates, CSS, uploaded
> files, etc. all need to be dealt with separately for each language.
>
> > Here's the best approach I've seen that requires the least work of us:
> > http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcWiki:Translate
>
> OK, using prefixes instead of suffixes.
> And the page titles are localized, good!
>
> Before we are moving in any new direction on this, can someone find out
> what the official MediaWiki roadmap for multilingual wikis is? I cannot
> believe that everybody has to guess by themselves which of the 5+
> different ways is the one we should focus on.
> I think I will ask on the mediawiki list or irc channel...
> If someone knows more, please post,
> Wolfgang
>
> On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 06:52:13PM +0100, Jon Phillips wrote:
> > Wolfgang, I'm using the wiki a lot.
> >
> > This internationalization strategy is too much work on the wiki, I
> propose a
> > change.
> >
> > Let's nuke it and keep the straight non-subdomain url...its too much work
> to
> > maintain.
> >
> > I've built a gazillion wikis, lets just use the way CC does it...
> >
> > http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page
> >
> > Here's the best approach I've seen that requires the least work of us:
> >
> > http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcWiki:Translate
> >
> > We aren't wikipedia. Lets justmake this one easy on ourselves. Lets do it
> in
> > 24 hours unless there is a tirade that I can't defend here on this list
> :)
> > But, I'm known for being power to the committer :)
> >
> > cheers.
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
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