discussion Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8

Ernest Kugel erik.kugel at gmail.com
Fri May 7 13:46:24 EDT 2010


Hi All,

I was deeply moved by Fernando's plea. Though the desired apps are open for
debate, they should be something your non-techie-girlfriend can happily use.

I think the Nanonote already has all the hardware it needs to turn many
heads (as mine does all the time, even among our IT and Dev. departments),
but there is currently little to be excited about it software-wise, if
you're not a versed Linux user.

So in short - I'm all in.

I'm not strong with C, though I have a fair understanding or it. I can
definitely help with networking, scripting and automation, being more on the
IT than Dev side of things, as well as testing of course.

So Fernando, or anyone else who takes on this, please count me in and let me
know how fast can we start!

If anyone needs a forum available or some FTP / CVS space to host
files/anything else for this, I can easily get something going.

If there are other ways I hadn't thought of, please suggest, and Thanks
again, Fernando, for taking the time to write!



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>   1. Ben's software: a user perspective (Fernando Carello)
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>      (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
>   3. Re: Ben's software: a user perspective (Rub?n Berenguel)
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> Date: Fri,  7 May 2010 12:40:28 +0200
> From: "Fernando Carello" <fcarello at libero.it>
> Subject: Ben's software: a user perspective
> To: "discussion" <discussion at lists.qi-hardware.com>
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> Hello everyone,
>
> I'd like to share with you my personal view on the Ben. I hope I'm not
> going to be flamed, anyway I have my flame suite on. :D
>
> Let me start with a brief introduction.
> I have the Ben and like it, it's really nice.
> I like Linux, I work with it since 1992.
> I like programming; I work with image recognition stuff and GPU computing.
> But, I think (personal opinion...) that the Ben should be graced with a
> reasonable suite of user-friendly GUI utilities, properly integrated with
> gmenu2x. Like gmu, as an example.
>
> I know, many of you think that command-line utilies like "gcal" and "bc"
> are great and all that's needed; I beg to disagree, because of Ben's
> limitations (keyboard and screen limitations, that is).
>
> We already have:
>
> - graphic launcher (gmenu2x). Could use some specific Ben tweaks (keyboard
> mapping, help file)
> - PDF reader (nupdf)
> - multimedia player (gmu)
>
> I think that the Ben would shine with:
>
> - a decent PIM suite with a nice GUI (QT-based, maybe): address book,
> clock/alarm, calendar, todo list, notes and the like
> - a simple, nice graphical calculator and unit conversion utility
> - a basic spreadsheet (simpler and lighter than SIAG, if possible)
>
> It's my opinion that, with such a software suite, Ben's adoption could
> spread beyond reasearches, uber-geeks and gadget freaks. This in turn could
> raise Ben's popularity, Sharism concepts and ultimately could help Sharism
> collecting resources (money, user base etc.) for future projects.
>
> I think we also need to address some long standing bugs:
>
> - fully working, flexible power saving mode (clock speed modulation,
> backlight levels, ...). Such a device really needs accurate power management
> in my humble opinion
> - fast SD access (DMA)
> - screen flickering. Mine flickers like crazy in graphic mode
>
> Now, I can foresee the typical "Well, and so? Fix it by yourself, it's open
> source baby!", but really, do you think an individual with little spare time
> can reasonably "fix by himself" everything?
>
> Maybe, if some of you share my point of view, we could try and organize a
> developing team.
> In my opinion, this team should be actively driven by Sharism/QI staff
> people and work steadily (if slowly), by milestones, in order not to waste
> resources.
>
> That said, all I can offer (besides this message :-) ) is a bit of my time
> as a C developer.
> I don't know much about Linux kernel, but if properly instructed, I can
> work on whatever C project.
>
> Love,
>
> Fernando
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:06:14 +0200
> From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com>
> Subject: Re: Ben's software: a user perspective
> To: "Users mailinglist , support, findings,     use cases and fun"
>        <discussion at lists.qi-hardware.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <j2x5c6ceea81005070406p8e665194ybb4af3a113340168 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Fernando all you have said have a lot of sense,
> my comments in line.
>
> 2010/5/7 Fernando Carello <fcarello at libero.it>:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'd like to share with you my personal view on the Ben. I hope I'm not
> going to be flamed, anyway I have my flame suite on. :D
> Your words where kind and you have point a lot of useful stuff, you
> can put off the flame suite, no fire here :P
> >
> > Let me start with a brief introduction.
> > I have the Ben and like it, it's really nice.
> > I like Linux, I work with it since 1992.
> > I like programming; I work with image recognition stuff and GPU
> computing.
> > But, I think (personal opinion...) that the Ben should be graced with a
> reasonable suite of user-friendly GUI utilities, properly integrated with
> gmenu2x. Like gmu, as an example.
> >
> > I know, many of you think that command-line utilies like "gcal" and "bc"
> are great and all that's needed; I beg to disagree, because of Ben's
> limitations (keyboard and screen limitations, that is).
> having a bunch of shell apps doesn't harm anyone, and surelly, at
> least me, have started to port that ones because they are usally easy
> to manage due not much dependencies to deal with but I agree the more
> sweet candy eye apps the better :)
> >
> > We already have:
> >
> > - graphic launcher (gmenu2x). Could use some specific Ben tweaks
> (keyboard mapping, help file)
> > - PDF reader (nupdf)
> > - multimedia player (gmu)
> >
> > I think that the Ben would shine with:
> >
> > - a decent PIM suite with a nice GUI (QT-based, maybe): address book,
> clock/alarm, calendar, todo list, notes and the like
> > - a simple, nice graphical calculator and unit conversion utility
> > - a basic spreadsheet (simpler and lighter than SIAG, if possible)
> Add a simple&fast  Image/Video player and you will have the Image of
> my dreams :)
> >
> > It's my opinion that, with such a software suite, Ben's adoption could
> spread beyond reasearches, uber-geeks and gadget freaks. This in turn could
> raise Ben's popularity, Sharism concepts and ultimately could help Sharism
> collecting resources (money, user base etc.) for future projects.
> Totally agree
> >
> > I think we also need to address some long standing bugs:
> >
> > - fully working, flexible power saving mode (clock speed modulation,
> backlight levels, ...). Such a device really needs accurate power management
> in my humble opinion
> Due time to boot is relative small I don't think there is a priority
> now, we can just shutdown the device to save batt :), but  if we
> achieve a good reliable suspend/resume time can be a good add.
> > - fast SD access (DMA)
> on Lars todo list :)
> > - screen flickering. Mine flickers like crazy in graphic mode
> this is also fixed and will be on next release, the guilty was gmenu2x
> playing with CPU clocking, Lars has smached that bug :)
> >
> > Now, I can foresee the typical "Well, and so? Fix it by yourself, it's
> open source baby!", but really, do you think an individual with little spare
> time can reasonably "fix by himself" everything?
> Hey haven't you read the motto of Qi-Hardware? is "Do it yourself? Do
> it together!!!" :P, the most rought answer you can receive is "no time
> now, added to the TODO list!" :P
> >
> > Maybe, if some of you share my point of view, we could try and organize a
> developing team.
> > In my opinion, this team should be actively driven by Sharism/QI staff
> people and work steadily (if slowly), by milestones, in order not to waste
> resources.
> +1, count with a tester/bug cacher here.
> >
> > That said, all I can offer (besides this message :-) ) is a bit of my
> time as a C developer.
> > I don't know much about Linux kernel, but if properly instructed, I can
> work on whatever C project.
> I aim to people to join this initiative :)
> >
> > Love,
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > discussion mailing list
> > discussion at lists.qi-hardware.com
> > http://en.qi-hardware.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion
> >
>
>
>
> --
> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko
> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:07:29 +0200
> From: Rub?n Berenguel <ruben at mostlymaths.net>
> Subject: Re: Ben's software: a user perspective
> To: "Users mailinglist , support, findings,     use cases and fun"
>        <discussion at lists.qi-hardware.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <n2w6a38938c1005070807oaaf98ea6ob578c2b4799d6607 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Agree quite with Fernando's point. I could help a little (as you, C,
> mostly), although some of the programs I like "are" command line,
> only. But I usually use them from inside emacs :) How I miss it...
>
> Ruben
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 13:06, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
> > Fernando all you have said have a lot of sense,
> > my comments in line.
> >
> > 2010/5/7 Fernando Carello <fcarello at libero.it>:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I'd like to share with you my personal view on the Ben. I hope I'm not
> going to be flamed, anyway I have my flame suite on. :D
> > Your words where kind and you have point a lot of useful stuff, you
> > can put off the flame suite, no fire here :P
> >>
> >> Let me start with a brief introduction.
> >> I have the Ben and like it, it's really nice.
> >> I like Linux, I work with it since 1992.
> >> I like programming; I work with image recognition stuff and GPU
> computing.
> >> But, I think (personal opinion...) that the Ben should be graced with a
> reasonable suite of user-friendly GUI utilities, properly integrated with
> gmenu2x. Like gmu, as an example.
> >>
> >> I know, many of you think that command-line utilies like "gcal" and "bc"
> are great and all that's needed; I beg to disagree, because of Ben's
> limitations (keyboard and screen limitations, that is).
> > having a bunch of shell apps doesn't harm anyone, and surelly, at
> > least me, have started to port that ones because they are usally easy
> > to manage due not much dependencies to deal with but I agree the more
> > sweet candy eye apps the better :)
> >>
> >> We already have:
> >>
> >> - graphic launcher (gmenu2x). Could use some specific Ben tweaks
> (keyboard mapping, help file)
> >> - PDF reader (nupdf)
> >> - multimedia player (gmu)
> >>
> >> I think that the Ben would shine with:
> >>
> >> - a decent PIM suite with a nice GUI (QT-based, maybe): address book,
> clock/alarm, calendar, todo list, notes and the like
> >> - a simple, nice graphical calculator and unit conversion utility
> >> - a basic spreadsheet (simpler and lighter than SIAG, if possible)
> > Add a simple&fast ?Image/Video player and you will have the Image of
> > my dreams :)
> >>
> >> It's my opinion that, with such a software suite, Ben's adoption could
> spread beyond reasearches, uber-geeks and gadget freaks. This in turn could
> raise Ben's popularity, Sharism concepts and ultimately could help Sharism
> collecting resources (money, user base etc.) for future projects.
> > Totally agree
> >>
> >> I think we also need to address some long standing bugs:
> >>
> >> - fully working, flexible power saving mode (clock speed modulation,
> backlight levels, ...). Such a device really needs accurate power management
> in my humble opinion
> > Due time to boot is relative small I don't think there is a priority
> > now, we can just shutdown the device to save batt :), but ?if we
> > achieve a good reliable suspend/resume time can be a good add.
> >> - fast SD access (DMA)
> > on Lars todo list :)
> >> - screen flickering. Mine flickers like crazy in graphic mode
> > this is also fixed and will be on next release, the guilty was gmenu2x
> > playing with CPU clocking, Lars has smached that bug :)
> >>
> >> Now, I can foresee the typical "Well, and so? Fix it by yourself, it's
> open source baby!", but really, do you think an individual with little spare
> time can reasonably "fix by himself" everything?
> > Hey haven't you read the motto of Qi-Hardware? is "Do it yourself? Do
> > it together!!!" :P, the most rought answer you can receive is "no time
> > now, added to the TODO list!" :P
> >>
> >> Maybe, if some of you share my point of view, we could try and organize
> a developing team.
> >> In my opinion, this team should be actively driven by Sharism/QI staff
> people and work steadily (if slowly), by milestones, in order not to waste
> resources.
> > +1, count with a tester/bug cacher here.
> >>
> >> That said, all I can offer (besides this message :-) ) is a bit of my
> time as a C developer.
> >> I don't know much about Linux kernel, but if properly instructed, I can
> work on whatever C project.
> > I aim to people to join this initiative :)
> >>
> >> Love,
> >>
> >> Fernando
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> discussion mailing list
> >> discussion at lists.qi-hardware.com
> >> http://en.qi-hardware.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> > http://www.tuxbrain.com
> > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> > Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko
> > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > discussion mailing list
> > discussion at lists.qi-hardware.com
> > http://en.qi-hardware.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ====================================
> * Rub?n Berenguel
> * http://www.mostlymaths.net
> ====================================
>
>
>
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