Future Copyleft devices

Rubén Berenguel ruben at mostlymaths.net
Wed May 26 07:44:02 EDT 2010


Marc,

I haven't read completely your e-mail: just read emacs and jumped to
ask: Have you got *emacs* on the nano? Not zile, but emacs? (I know
zile is "somewhat OK", but emacs is emacs, and org-mode is... you
know, great)

Ruben

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 13:38, marc zonzon <marc.zonzon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Fernando <fcarello at libero.it> wrote:
>>> With over 500 Nanonotes now out in the wild, why is this list so quiet?
>>> Where is the passion, the enthusiasm? Fair question, methinks. ;)
>>
>> We Need Easy-to-use, Captivating, Useful Software.
>> :-)
>>
>> Seriously, what may people *do* with the Ben at the moment?
>> Basically no personal productivity software, no PIM, no complete multimedia
>> player, no independent Internet access, no self-hosting dev suite.
>
> I cannot agree with you Fernando, presently I have on my Nano
>  - my main productivity tool emacs
> - the script languages that I use python and lua,
> - many shells, all gnu tools, sed, awk, ...,
> -  all the source management software you can dream of, I use git to
> synchronise my BNN with laptop, and to keep track of my configuration,
>  - many PIM software I personally use pal, calcurse, abook, and emacs-org,
>  - for image and pdf we have framebuffer viewers,
>  -  for sound we have a plethora of applications, decoders, encoders
>
> May be for some users it looks like geek software, developer software,
> but not "Easy-to-use, Captivating" software! For simple minded people
> like me it is "easy to use" software. I'm too stupid to master
> "evolution" so I'm happy with emacs-org, mutt and many basic tools
> that I have the ability to configure and to tweak to my needs.
>
>> Right now, the Ben is like a toolbox we have to fill with, well, tools.
>> Possibly user-oriented tools. GUI tools. Ben-tailored tools.
>
> May be, we need tools, but what missing today is the basic layers,
> display layer and input layer still incomplete, communication layer,
> each of us can package an application, either in Debian or OpenWrt
> once you know the process it's not so difficult. But all these
> applications lie on a software stack, and to develop and maintain
> these layers that are shared among many applications we need to
> collaborate.
>
>> It is exciting for some, yet frustrating for many.
>> We have to roll up our sleeves, put off the nerd-suit and wear the user-
>> oriented-developer suit, for a while at least. :-)
>> We can do it !
>>
>>
> On this point we completely agree, so the main task I see for Nano
> software development is to set up a true developer community, and
> build the communication tools necessary to keep this community alive
> and active.
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Fernando Carello <fcarello at libero.it> wrote:
>
>> Now, I can't volunteer to implement these web-related changes because I know nothing about wiki or CSS and very little about HTML; plus I have very little spare time, which I think I'd better spend coding. :-)
>>
>> So I think it would be great to have a volounteer who is proficient in HTML/CSS/Wiki and can maintain Ben-software-related pages on a regular basis. :-)
>
> I don't think any volunteer can take up on itself to coordinate many
> developers having only sharing their interest in the Nano.
>
> The way to set up a wiki is to have (back to my previous rant!)
> differents layers, the knowledge of the famework designer is not the
> same than those of the wiki designer, the web designer must master the
> global apparence of the wiki, he will deal globally with css ;.. the
> site architect must set up a common framework and set up a common
> discipline of use of the wiki (I consider this global architecture as
> missing in Qi hardware wiki -:) ).
> I personnaly think that it would be good then to separate the
> different projects, and according to your interest and your knowledge
> you can choose to participate in one project. In other words you will
> not say "I know to do that" but rather "I volunteer to take that task,
> or contribute to that task".
> For the pages of the Wiki, Wikis have been set up as to allow people
> without any knowledge of html, css, javascript to share their
> knowledge. Every one can with a very smooth learning curve, begin to
> publish in a Wiki. The main problem with Wiki is often to enforce a
> common policy, to avoid to have only a bunch of scattered pages. There
> is two models to remedy that, the centralized where some people
> (helped by robots) browse the whole content and , recall the policies
> to authors, delete unsuitable pages, or propose changes, the
> distributed model where each project is responsible of its own policy,
> that nevertheless must be compatible with so common rules. There are
> also, as usual hybrids between centralized or distributed. As an
> example Wikipedia use the two models centralized one enforces the
> 'Five Pillars' (look at this page on Wikipedia) with the large 'List
> of policies' but each portal has also some control on articles.
> Because it is lighter and allows a quicker feedback, I would propose
> to better have the distributed model for Nanonote software.
> It is what I have proposed for the project of Debian-BNN without any success -):
>
> Marc
>
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